Lol these panties are soft silky nylon spandex feel very good smooth sexy look great im a crossdresser looking to possibly transition and i dont shop in stores to avoid upsetting people my waist is 3842 and the xl size fits little bit loose in fact they could fit thicker waist too they are snug close to my body but still roomy they dont drop slip fall off the waist band does feel little big bit not in bad way they stay up